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rellik009 — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 10:35:13 -0000

Horrible research and website. Stop influencing people and killing art with your awful and pretentious pseudo-science bullshit.

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rellik009 — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 10:33:28 -0000

No, this website is a joke you moron. Stop being a fucking robot.

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rellik009 — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 10:33:04 -0000

You're a fucking retard my friend

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rellik009 — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 10:31:59 -0000

It's actually shit though. It's a complete joke.

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rellik009 — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 10:21:07 -0000

This whole website is a joke, and the research is also a joke. Stop killing music (and art in general) with your pretentious pseudo-science and other bullshit.

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rellik009 — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 10:10:15 -0000

Your research is badly made, which completely falsifies anything on there. Thankfully, you recognize that this graph is a joke, but I recommend you stop killing music(or art in general) with your pretentious graphs and pseudo-science.

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T Salabim — Sun, 25 Aug 2019 14:49:43 -0000

Which is why Asians do better than all, because intelligent white males can't help but write tests for them.

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Biranchi — Mon, 11 Feb 2019 11:37:48 -0000

some of these comments made me dumb....

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Sebastian Rivera — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:46:30 -0000

The beatles, bob dylan and things like that are so acurate i mean the smartest people i know listen to that but a lot of cristhian groups in the top makes me cuestion if this are really truth, the doors in the lowest part of the list and the ausence of color people and music like blues on the top, makes me think twice the intentios of this list.

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Ignatz — Wed, 24 Jan 2018 23:31:33 -0000

"Classical" means you're dumb, but "Beethoven," specifically, means you're smart? That doesn't seem to make much sense.

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Grinch — Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:00:21 -0000

I like how SAT test scores are the benchmarks for intelligence. There's a few other issues here too:
The music isn't what makes people dumb. That just doesn't make any sense at all. Most of the people that are listening to the music in the middle/left side are usually couping with home struggles with lyrics that relate with their current situation. Teenagers that live in struggling households are often having their education bottlenecked by their home situation. This effects those students far down the road for years. I'm 100% sure there are far less people who live in poverty or struggling families that listen to U2 or Beatles compared to Disturbed or Eminem. Many families that are doing well with their financial situation tend to have children that listen to happier care-free musc in the likes of Beethoven or other bands on the right side (Beatles, Dylan). I know a few personal friends like this. Obviously someone in either situation is not limited to the music I matched together, otherwise my tastes would be much different.

The lyrical content of the bands on the left side tend to represent more "real world" situations of sadness or struggling. Actual reasons to be sad or angry. Ones on the right have more "petty" sad songs like relationships (Weezer for a quick example) or happy living life style with less worry or responsibility (for the most part).

I feel like it's easier to diguest this because I'm currently a high school senior who has a lot of friends who match with this chart but for different reasons. The ones with the lowest test scores listen to all of the music on the left, but also live with drug ridden families, uncaring parents, lack of income, or don't even have families of their own to live with at all. My favorite artists are Green Day, Weezer, Rage Against the Machine, Foo Fighters, as well as Franz Ferdinand, Littlest Man Band (Jazz), Grant Kirkhope compositions (yes), Panic at the Disco, White Stripes, Reel Big Fish, Sublime, John Philip Sousa, Metallica and even select rap artists, yet I seem to get some of the highest scores in my class for standardized tests, and I've been listening to this kind of music since before I could read because of my parents and video games influenced me at a young age..

Just gonna end this before it gets to be like 6 paragraphs long.

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Brandon — Tue, 21 Feb 2017 01:31:23 -0000

Can we add Frank Zappa, King Crimson, Captain Beefheart, and 1920's-1950's blues? Also, maybe the Allman Brothers Band. Additionally, I'd like to see modern experimental hip hop artists such as Chance the Rapper and Childish Gambino. I'd estimate them to be along Outkast personally.

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Tomas — Sun, 19 Feb 2017 10:32:17 -0000

^ I gotta admit that tremolo type thing on Brendel plays Schubert was kinda cool, but I'm just not a fan of the direction it takes after 0:49.
Now, if someone would just loop the good parts and add a funky drum beat to it, I'd listen to that. ;)
^ The visuals for the Beethoven piece was nice too, but rather than feeling any "sadness" or "despair", all I think of when I hear it are people in tuxedoes, really.
BTW, it's funny that you'd mention "Knocking On Heaven's Door", since Bob Dylan is known for being not only a great lyricist,
but also much more complex and less straightforward than let's say Bruce Springsteen or Johnny Cash.
^I liked the eastern-european flavour of Shostahovich actually. Easily the best out of the bunch. =)
^ Glinka was just...well, I honestly expected clowns to enter the stage at any second. :P
I couldn't think of one situation where I'd want to listen to music like that.
^ William Tell is hard to take seriously because it's such a cliché piece.
(And I'm the sort of person who genuinely enjoy songs like "Spanish Flea" and "Baby Elephant Walk")

That's actually one of my main gripes with classical music (and the more famous pieces in general).
I don't feel the emotions the composer intended hundreds of years ago because it's like comedy music to me.
Need a soundtrack to two cartoon animals chasing each other? William Tell.
Fat dude goes skiing for the first time? Que beginning of "Ryde Of The Valkyries".
Mother-in-law coming to visit. How about some Carmina Burana?
You get the idea.

You're right, I positively hate baroque music. Even the whole baroque aesthetic (powdered wigs, chairs with lion feet, et al)
But there are some chords progressions, rhythms, etc that I'm just not a fan of that are prevalent in almost all classical music.
Also, classical music feels artificial to me. Rock, jazz and pop all seem like natural evolutions from early tribal music and rituals.
Classical music, to me, feels like this theoretical construct that would never survive without music conservatories.

BTW, I'm 33 now and people have tried to get me to listen to classical music since I was in kindergarten.
I've studied music sciene and listened to anything from electronic avantgarde music to javanese gamelan and throat singing.
Still, the only non-movie score composers I kinda like are Bela Bartok and that guy who wrote "Motorcycle".

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DD — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 15:46:07 -0000

Well I do agree there are some "upper class", "academic" people like you have described that listen classical music, but I disagree that it's only them that do so. A lot of people who like classical music come from a variety of backgrounds. Being a classical musician, I have met many of them! Most are the children of immigrants (no "class" there) and didn't come from distinguished families. Some taught themselves to play with instruments they were given by a relative or bought at a low-end music store.
It may seem that classical music is something reserved for the "upper classes" which was the case for many years, but now it is available to everyone.

Also, a lot of the people you peg as "upper class" don't listen to classical. I'll just say, I'm <19 years old and I know many "privileged" kids and their parents. Neither of them enjoy classical much. I've yet to meet a rich family who listens actively to classical and I go to a prestigious college (on scholarship). It may seem like "part of their cultural identity" but it really isn't anymore.

Oh no! I listen to vocal music too! Honestly I will confess I don't really enjoy opera (I make an exception for Beethoven's 9th, 4th mov.), but I listen sometimes to bands like the Kinks or Pixies, or the Strokes. "Academic relation to music", what do you mean by this? No one I know listens to music purely technically. That defeats its purpose! Classical music is VERY focused on melodies and emotion, more so than rap or pop or even rock. Example:

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Skip to 0:49 and you'll see, very melodic. Schubert was a master at that!

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Please tell me you can feel the absolute despair and misery in this! I mean I can listen to a sad rock ballad and feel sad but in this, somehow the emotion is deeper and much more serious than something like "Knocking on Heaven's Door" or whatever.

"no rhythm" "elements there for the sake of it"

Now I understand: you've been listening to the wrong classical music!! I mean, if I had been brought up only listening to Bach and Purcell in a world of Beethoven I'd hate "classical" too. I think you mean you hate baroque music. Just listen to these and see if you like them:

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

^magical waltz!

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

^who ever said classical music was boring or lacked energy?

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

^fun to play!

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Tomas — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 11:55:13 -0000

Here are just some that I have confirmed:

* David Banner - Business degree
* Guru - Bachelor's Degree in Business Administration
* Ice Cube - Architecture degree
* Ludacris - Music Management degree
* Will Smith - got accepted into an engineering program at MIT

As for your clothes influencing you, studies have shown that they actually DO affect your thought processes and creativity, but you're complete missing the point here.

I'm not "assuming those who enjoy classical music are loaded". However, listening to allegedly "high brow" musical styles like classical and jazz is something done almost exclusively
by people coming from a family of academics. Please note that "class" and money are two different things in this case.
While rapper 50 Cent may be a multi-millionaire, few would define him as "upper class" and if he ever listens to classical music at home, he probably acquired a taste for it about the same time he acquired a taste for Rolex watches and Cristal champagne. Ergo, it's not part of his cultural identity.

Your comments about rap music ("the same loop played 30 times") and pop music ("same chords played in a different rhythm") suggest that you don't listen a lot to vocal music
(and it also sounds like you have a very academic relation to music, focusing more on technical details than the melodies or the emotional part).

Personally, I can't stand classical music because it has no rhythm, no lyrics and most of the elements seem to be there just for the sake of it, rather than contributing to the mood.
I could never use it as study music because it's too annoying (like a story that never gets anywhere and has lots of words in it just to show off).
However, I've been able to study anything from philosophy to the arabic language and music like hip-hop actually helps me focus (despite being largely lyrical in nature). =)

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andrew btv — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 05:05:10 -0000

something else by the kinks are my fav. can't get rnough of waterloo sunset.

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DD — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 02:08:42 -0000

Jazz is overrated. Improvised jazz is doesn't "take a certain level of genius just to pull off", it's literally just random playing, because Jazz is so abstract now it's fundamentally all discord and anything goes. Listen to some primitive, ancient rhythms on youtube and you will see they also contain a lot of discord like the kind you see in jazz and atonal/twelve tonal music. What does this tell you about jazz?

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DD — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 02:04:44 -0000

I like the Velvet Underground! The Kinks are very good, what's your favorite album by them? I like "The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society" but "Arthur" and "Muswell Hillbillies" are good too.

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DD — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 02:01:48 -0000

What famous rappers have performed well in school, do you have any examples?
Also, why would people with high SAT scores wear expensive clothes and drink champagne? You know you don't have to be loaded to get a good score on the SAT, all you really need is the intelligence and the motivation to study. There are plenty of resources online, and if you don't have a computer most libraries do.

Wearing expensive clothes/drinking champagne is very different from listening to music. You aren't influenced by those things. Music influences how you express your emotions, how you process them. The music you are drawn to may be an indicator of your personality, but music can influence personality too. Music can also change the way you process information and your outlook. I listen to almost everything but when I'm feeling low I always come back to Berlioz or Wagner or Beethoven's 9th and immediately I feel more positive and productive!

"Classical music doesn't boost academic performance, but being from an upper class or upper middle class family certainly does."
Now you're assuming those who enjoy classical music (which is really a general term) are loaded. Not true. Most of us are just creative people who are quickly bored with the same loop played 30 times in a rap song or the same chords played in a different rhythm in a pop song.
"The working class usually prefer music that has relatable lyrics and can be created by a few people without lots of money"
Why are you so insistent classical musicians are all rich? We aren't, and people who like classical music aren't either. Most of us are struggling musicians just like most artists. We don't get paid more than anyone.

And yes, the instruments are expensive, but many public schools have free music programs for students who want to learn to play an instrument. Also there is a rental system - I got my clarinet for $39 a month which is a good deal, and it was my birthday present and Christmas present when they finally bought it for me for $80.

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Piero — Tue, 31 Jan 2017 20:18:47 -0000

Why are the best bands missing?

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andrew btv — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:57:18 -0000

i dont even find the bands i listen. where is sonic youth, velvet underground, the kinks, king crimson?? so other students dont even listen to that anymore?

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Tomas — Mon, 19 Dec 2016 23:22:57 -0000

First of all, many famous rappers performed exceptionally well in school, so unless rap fans have gotten exponentially dumber in recent years, this diagram makes it seem like you've chosen an ad-hoc research method that fits certain prejudices.

Furthermore, the students with the highest SAT scores probably also wear the most expensive clothes and drink champagne more often than the others, but I doubt anyone would claim that "smart people wear Armani suits and drink Krug".

Classical music doesn't boost academic performance, but being from an upper class or upper middle class family certainly does.
The working class usually prefer music that has relatable lyrics and can be created by a few people without lots of money. With the exception of opera, most classical music has no lyrics at all. It also requires very expensive instruments, years of practice (just to perform a simple melody) and anything under 50 members is considered a "small" orchestra.

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Timso — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 11:01:46 -0000

He has forgotten nobody. The study doesn't allow to "forget" anybody because the artists and bands are the input taken from that facebook music scan thing (I don't use facebook, therefore I dont't exactly know how it works). The author of this study simply has no influence on the mentioned artists; except for taking out those who were not represented highly enough in those university facebook profiles - so they were not representative. That's the reason for only bands with a quite large fanbase beeing mentioned. Sorry for eventual grammar mistakes - English is not my origin language.

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Gustavo Alonso Montiel Longori — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 21:28:29 -0000

¡Hola! Soy Gustavo. Quiero decirte que quiero hacer un estudio parecido en una escuela de México. Por favor, contáctame. Despierta mi curiosidad de saber si las personas inteligentes de mi escuela escuchan música clásica o alguna otra. ¡Saludos!
Necesito tu apoyo.

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bochinchero — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 11:26:55 -0000

Way cool. I feel the chart is excellent and well conceived because I’ve been a classical music addict ever since I discovered the genre on the radio at age 9. My other favorite genres such as Andean and Russian folkloric don’t appear at all unfortunately. How you view this chart may be a function of where your favorite genre appears on it! Apparently more people should be into classical music. I'd like that since it has been swamped out in recent decades by a flood of highly promoted easily accessible pop music genres.